So, I've been looking at him, and I just don't think he merits being on this wiki.

His moral agency issues don't really ring true for me, as PE Light and this Light are very different people.

• You could think of them as from alternative universes, if it makes sense, considering the different things and experiences that they go through.

• He is fully aware of right and wrong, and is only lacking awareness of the context; without context, he just does what he does, which is argue for justice and try to help his father.

As for begin aggressive towards L... well, why wouldn't he be?

• He's been kidnapped, stuck into a cell, his father placed under extreme stress, and was even under the impression that his father was shooting him in the face for real.

• And then L tells him that he can't be bothered study or investigate because he's bummed that Light isn't Kira.

• How would you react? This therefore comes across more as a heating-up period, and he never displays another outburst like that again, despite Word of God confirming that he does not like L during this amnesiac period, and had he joined Interpol as an innocent man, he would have dedicated to finding and incarcerating L. Word of God doesn't count without on-screen evidence, but I think there's evidence a-plenty that he doesn't consider him a friend.

I haven't been whitelisted, so I don't know if I can make a removal request, but it doesn't sit well with me that he is on the same wiki as L Lawliet or Wolverine, despite displaying no corruptive qualities and instead being a sad shadow of the man he could have been had he not been driven to madness by murder and power.

What makes him pass the literally astronomical admirable standard of Dragon Ball is killing Infinite Zamasu. But it was his future counterpart who did it, not him. Trunks and Future Trunks are two seperate inviduals. Shouldn't this apply to them as well?

I never seen a proposal (PE,NPE,IH,IA,NPG,or PG) that had the verdict section be No.

I think we should be having a celebration if the Wiki ever gets to 1 thousand pages.

The Inconsistently Admirable Wiki is at 924 pages but there are more fictional characters who could fall under this and ones I feel fit the criteria rather well so I will offer some candidates who could be proposed and approved here:

• Kenshiro from Fist of the North Star: He's pretty much the main character of the manga and has a strong sense of justice, using his fists to obliterate depraved bandits and warlords in a post-apocalyptic Japan. However, the reason why Kenshiro cannot be NPG or PG is that he has no problem brutally killing his enemies in battle. And they die by getting blown up and Kenshiro simply tells them, "You are already dead." In fact, he's on the disallowed page of the Near Pure Good Wiki because of this. He's also one of the biggest anime characters to not be on a moral ranking wiki and I think he deserves to be there. Incidentally, Kenshiro inspired two other IA characters: Guts from Berserk and Jotaro Kujo from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.

• William Joseph "B.J." Blazkowicz from Wolfenstein (MachineGames continuity only): Do note that this covers BJ as he appears in the alternate history MachineGames continuity and not his old canon self where World War II ended in the same manner as OTL. So, this BJ spent 13 years in a coma and awakened to a world where the Nazis literally rule the world including domination over their former allies Japan and Italy. Upon his awakening, BJ goes on a quest to liberate the world from the Nazis with his wife Anya Oliwa and a crew of resistance fighters. He mostly succeeds in this goal and discovers a multiverse. And compared to other characters, BJ is the most admirable one in the MachineGames continuity. However, similar to Rambo and Kenshiro, BJ is very lethal as he's a Nazi killer who uses various tools at his disposal to destroy them mercilessly and even tortures a Nazi with a chainsaw at some point. This is unsurprising since BJ is very much an 80s action hero in the vein of Rambo and others. As such, I think Inconsistently Admirable should be the category for BJ.

• Vincent Brooks from Catherine (including Full Body): Before you ask, I did make a page for him on the Heroic Benchmark Wiki under the assumption that its main theme of Order vs. Chaos would prevent him from going any further. But then I realized that Vincent is the only character in his story to perform heroic deeds that leave a big impact on the story, not to mention that Catherine does not exist in the same continuity as Persona or the other games in Atlus's Shin Megami Tensei series so he doesn't have to compete with the likes of Ren Amamiya and the Demi-fiend. Plus, it's not like the themes of a specific work have prevented characters from going further up on the Moral Ranking scale, such as the Near Pure Evil Alex DeLarge. In this regard, Vincent saved the other men and Erica Anderson and brought an end to the Nightmares in Neo-Brooklyn, orchestrated by Dumuzid and Ishtar/Trisha. And since this affects an entire world and not Earth, as confirmed by the developers, I believe Vincent is more than admirable and passes the in-story standards, with only Rin coming close due to being sent on a mission by his species to disrupt the Nightmares and help others on top of her piano giving soothing thoughts to them and lacking any corrupting traits. Also, Vincent can apologize to Katherine for cheating on her and reconcile in one ending or accept Catherine's apology in the new ending. However, Vincent Brooks is inconsistent by the fact that he (initially) cheated on his spouse Katherine McBride in favor of either Catherine or Rin and doesn't exactly apologize either in the case of the former in addition to making dismissive remarks about Erica's transgender status, being lazy and reckless, and can be rather confrontational and sometimes snap at people who tell him what to do with his life, whether it is beneficial or not. Also, Vincent can choose to become a demon lord and King of the Underworld with Catherine in the original true ending for her, which makes him Fallen and dependent on player choice. With all this considered, I think that Vincent should be Inconsistently Admirable instead of a Heroic Benchmark.

• Leon Montana from Leon: The Professional: This just so happens to be one of my father's favorite movies so I'll describe who he is. Leon is an Italian but French-accented assassin and protege of Tony living in New York City. He works as a "cleaner" or someone who kills his targets. It's from this work that Leon meets a recently orphaned girl named Mathilda Lando after the Pure Evil DEA agent Norman Stansfield murdered her family. Its here that Leon teaches Mathilda in the art of assassination and goes on to eventually kill Stansfield along with himself to ensure she is safe. Moreover, Leon has a code of honor involving "no women or kids" and gets Mathilda to grow out of her old habits, such as smoking or swearing. Compared to everyone else in this film, Leon is the most admirable character. But there's a key reason he cannot be NPG or PG: He's a lethal assassin with no qualms about killing his targets and a criminal to boot which also extends to the Assassins of Assassin's Creed such as Ezio Auditore or Connor Kenway. Therefore, he fits with Inconsistently Admirable well.

Anyway, I hope this was worthwhile.

Which IA is the most heroic?

It was some weeks ago when I created a post to discuss, is it needed to create a completely good category on this wiki. Multiple people do like this idea. Just to summarize everything that was said there, I create this post and I hope this topic will be finished after that. I will list every point which a character can have to be considered both Inconsistently Admirable and Completely Good at the same time.

1. As Completely Evil Inconsistently Heinous villains are the villains that stand out, but aren't taken seriously, I'd like to propose to add Completely Good category here to every character, who is taken too seriously. One could argue that this type of characters MUST have jerk moments. But I'd like to give a compromiss. There are factors, that cannot be considered as corrupting at times. For example, vengefullness cannot be considered a corrupting factor if the vengeful character doesn't directly harm innocents. But this character may darken the history by the very same vengefullness.

2. Characters, who subvert their jerk moments at the end of their respective stories. Yes, they are already incorruptible, but spend too little time of their stories as such.

3. Insufficiently characterized characters. They may have jerk moments, but their personality isn't described enough to check it.

4. Characters with impaired agency. Their only real prevention is inability to tell the difference of bad from good, but it's not even their fault (unless it's a character like Light Yagami, who has impaired agency only during his amnesiac period).

5. Characters dependent on player's choice. Whether they have corrupting factors or not, only real-life players decide.

6. Possibly incompetent characters. They only cause bad things out off stupidity and not out of jerkishness.

But these characters SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER PREVENTIONS. What do you think?

Could they be more than four?

(This is not a proposal since I'm not whitelisted, but I still wanna see if my broker man can qualify)

(SPOILERS)

Before y'all start complaining, hear me out.

While he's obviously amoral, he also has some of the most admirable moments in the game. He saves everyone from mass execution in Chapter 5 and has the biggest part in Mikado's (Keep in mind that Mikado is a PE) defeat, as he essentially defeats him by using the administrator code and preventing him from escaping into the real world. He also plays a big part in Kanade's (Kanade is another PE) defeat by coming in clutch throughout the trial. In other words, he defeats two PEs.

Upon rereading some stuff, i came to the conclusion that terence isn’t actually killing pigs (even if he was it would justifed due to the birds being in war) and his “xenophobia” is just him protecting his kind rather than hating pigs as he willing made and gave presents to pigs in an episode, with his corrupting qualities listed in the nat geo book even being retconned in the following book.

Am i cooked?

Do you guys think Robert McCall from the Equalizer trilogy could qualify? He has saved lots of people and killed lots of vile criminals. However he is very lethal and definitely an anti hero with how brutal he is.